1. IT WILL COST YOU LESS MONEY
Cal Fire has stated they will not impose any fees on the residents of Julian and Lake Cuyamaca for their fire services. That is true, in the sense that “Cal Fire” will not be the ones imposing the fees. San Diego County Fire Authority is not a fire department so they contract with Cal Fire to provide fire services. Therefore, San Diego County will be the ones charging us for fire services. And, although, the fees might not be imposed on our community immediately, you can bet there will be fees! We are not going to get fire services gratis indefinitely. The fact of the matter is we don’t have any idea when the fees will start or exactly how much the fees will be. SDCFA will not tell us and they are refusing to include this information in the contract with JCFPD. Can you imagine signing a contract to purchase a vehicle without knowing how much you are agreeing to pay for this vehicle? No! Nobody in their right mind would do that. There is only one reason why they are refusing to address this issue. They don’t want you to know!
We were told by a representative of Cal Fire in Sacramento that San Diego County will be following the Riverside County Plan (which we were told is actually the plan for the entire state).
The residents of Riverside county are currently paying $400.00 annually plus an additional $390.00 per hour per fire apparatus if they access 911. We can assume, this is what we will be paying. After all, we were told this is the plan for the entire state of California.
JCFPD currently collects $50.00 for fire fees (this fee has not been raised since 1984). In order to keep our fire department running up to current industry standards, JCFPD is proposing an increase of $150.00 for a total of $200.00 ($16.67 per month). This will pay for the inclusion of two paid, full-time firefighters, one of which will also be a paramedic. We will have coverage with paid firefighters in our community 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Plus, we will have all our volunteers. This will actually bring us ABOVE industry standards and ABOVE what SDCFA is offering!
Costs for SDCFA- $450.00 minimum (annual fee of $400.00 plus the $50.00 you are already paying for fire services which will get rolled over to SDCFA) plus $390.00 per hour per fire unit for usage fees. The absolute minimum cost (on TOP of the $450.00 annual fee) for one emergency call would be $390.00 (one hour) – again, this is the minimum. If, for example, you had a house fire, the total would be much, much more! A typical house fire might take five hours and would require multiple units (additional engines, support vehicles, etc.) – each unit charging $390.00 per hour. You do the math!
Remaining Independent = annual fee of $200.00 with no additional usage fee. Proposition QQ has a “reduced-cost” provision for low-income households. The county does not offer any such allowance for low-income families. There is also a provision written in this initiative to discontinue the fee if JCFPD is ever dissolved. The last fire fee in 1984 had no provision for this so you will be required to pay the $50.00 if Proposition QQ does not pass, even if another fire agency takes over our fire services.
2. YOU WILL NOT GET A SURPRISE INCREASE IN FEES
The county can increase fees if and when they deem it necessary. And, because it is a “fee” and not a “tax” you will not get a say in this. The additional $390.00 per hour usage fee was just recently imposed on residents in Riverside County to augment the annual $400.00 fee. Cal Fire stated they could no longer provide services within the old budget. There are agencies all across California (Calimesa, San Jacinto, Canyon Lake) that contracted with Cal Fire that are currently trying to get out of their contract because the cost of Cal Fire is going through the roof. How much and how often will fees increase? Cal Fire has recently admitted publically that the cost of their fire service are continuing to rise so there is no telling!
If we remain independent and JCFPD wants to raise the fees for the department it must go to the vote of the people (like we are doing this November with Proposition QQ). You will have a say!
3. YOU WILL GET MORE SERVICES FOR LESS DOLLARS
If we remain independent, we would continue to have two fire agencies in our community – Cal Fire and JCFPD. Cal Fire would still be here and they would continue to be responsible for wildfires. JCFPD would also be here and they would continue to be responsible for structure fires, traffic collisions and medical aids. The two agencies would continue to work cooperatively, side by side just as they have since the inception of JCFPD. And when Cal Fire is called off the hill, JCFPD will still be here, but now as your only line of defense, for wildfires.
Remaining independent means there are more firefighters here in Julian/Cuyamaca, not less. Getting rid of JCFPD drastically reduces both the number of fire engines (and other fire apparatus) and the number of firefighters in our community. If the county takes over, we lose all the volunteers (historically, there has been five volunteers on duty per day that respond with multiple vehicles – brush truck, fire truck, rescue unit, water tender, etc.). Under SDCFA/Cal Fire, all of our volunteers and all our equipment would be replaced with a single engine and two firefighters.
SDCFA (a minimum of $450.00) = no daily direct supervision of staff, no administrative support, two firefighters (that can leave our community to go to wildfires or to cover a more densely populated community). You will have no input on where your money goes. This would be decided by the County.
*A fire engine and two firefighters do not make a fire department!
Keeping JCFPD ($200.00) = a full-time fire chief, administrative support, a fire board, historically five volunteers per day, numerous fire vehicles, plus two paid firefighters (that will remain in our community 24-hours per day, 7 days a week). Plus, you will have a say in how things are run.
*This is a fire department!
4. YOU WILL HAVE FIRE/EMS COVERAGE WHEN CAL FIRE LEAVES THE HILL
When there are wildfires in the surrounding areas or when there are big wildfires elsewhere in California, Cal Fire is likely to leave our community to go to where the fires are. Fresh in our minds are two large fires in Julian – the 2003 (Cedar Fire) and 2007 (Witch Fire) in which our volunteers were the only ones left here to protect us and our property. So far, this fire season, during the Pala Fire (in June), the Cinnamon Fire (in July) and the San Pasqual Fire (in August), Cal Fire was gone. Without our volunteer fire department, you will have no fire protection at all when Cal Fire is off the hill. You will be on your own!
5. YOU WILL NOT HAVE STATIONS THAT ARE UNSTAFFED OR UNDERSTAFFED
Almost all of the fire agencies we have spoken to that have been absorbed by or that have contracted with SDCFA have been very dissatisfied with the level of service they are receiving. Fire stations in these communities have been left unstaffed/dark (anywhere from 1 to 27 days of the month) or have been significantly understaffed (less than two trained firefighters on duty).
Last year in Shelter Valley there was a house fire. The personnel Cal Fire placed at the station that day was not trained to drive a fire engine. So, wanting to do something to help, one of the firefighters decided to run to the fire with a fire extinguisher. As you can probably guess, this did nothing to suppress the fire. The house burned to the ground and the residents suffered bodily injuries.
6. YOU WILL HAVE FIRE PERSONNEL RESPONDING THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, TERRAIN AND WEATHER CONDITIONS
In a true emergency, minutes can mean the difference between life and death or whether your home is saved or burnt to the ground. Most of the contracted Cal Fire staff that are stationed here in Julian/Cuyamaca are unfamiliar with the area and have had difficulties finding addresses. Additionally, their fire engines are not equipped to get up the steep, tight driveways many of our homes have. Our volunteers know the area well and the fire engine purchased for JCFPD was specifically designed to be driven in our unique mountain terrain. Our local volunteers are your neighbors, friends and/or family. They are accustomed to driving in dense fog, snow and ice and they know how to find you!
7. YOU WILL HAVE A SAY IN HOW YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS RUN
If SDCFA takes over our fire department, the decisions that affect our community will be made some 60 plus miles away and you will have no say in what transpires. If our community is unhappy with these decisions, we have absolutely no recourse. Remain independent and we, the citizens, maintain oversight of our fire services.
Unlike San Miguel (who wisely wrote a contingency plan in their agreement with SDCFA), we cannot take our fire department back (like San Miguel did because of increasing costs and poor service from Cal Fire) or contract out to another agency. In the “negotiations”, our fire board turned everything over to the county (our money, our fire station, our property in Lake Cuyamaca, our vehicles, our equipment – everything!). Which means once our fire department is gone, it is gone! There IS NO going back! We have no alternative if the county does not live up to their promises. Most communities with SDCFA are extremely dissatisfied and they are absolutely powerless to do anything about it. They have begged and pleaded with SDCFA to live up to their promises to protect their homes and their lives – to no avail!
8. YOU ARE NOT TAKING THE RISK OF BEING LEFT WITH ZERO FIRE SERVICES
Fire protection is not in San Diego County’s Charter. So even though we would contract with them to provide fire protection, they are not legally bound to do so (not much of a “contract”). If they run out of money (which is a definite possibility), they could discontinue providing fire protection (that is exactly what happened in 1973 when we lost our fire department) and our community would be left (once again) with nothing and no one to protect us (remember, we are giving away all of our assets – everything – over six-million dollars’ worth!)
** For verification of the above information:
simply google Cal Fire costs/fees, etc.
or go to or view below:
Check out the links to official documents at
Please, talk to the residents of Ranchita, Shelter Valley, Mount Laguna, Intermountain, Palomar Mountain, San Pasqual, Boulevard, San Miguel, Descanso and Pine Valley and get their input.
The Town of Julian is a California Historic Landmark (old gold mining town) and attracts hundreds of thousands of tourists each year. Lake Cuyamaca is popular for fishing, camping, hiking and horse riding trails. JCFPD is responsible for fire protection and emergency medical services for the residents in this geographic area, as well as the influx of tourists and motorcyclists.
JCFPD supports two stations: Station 56 in Julian and Station 57 in Lake Cuyamaca. The district encompasses 87 square miles and protects over 4,000 residents and 2,500 homes, outbuildings and commercial structures. The terrain is mountainous and the streets are often irregular, presenting challenges such as being steep, or unpaved, or having only a single outlet, or having no Continue reading
According to a Riverside Chief this plan and it’s effects are what we should be thinking about for our county. If the County takes over Julian it is the last piece in the back country puzzle. Once that is done the whole back country of the San Diego county will be opened to them raising Fire Prevention Fees to whatever level they choose and we will not get a vote or voice. They will pass the fee like they did for the State Fire Benefit Fee that was recently rescinded by our CA Gov.
April 5th, 2018 @ 9 am, at the Julian Fire Station # 56 will be a Board Meeting to address the Brown Act violations set forth in the document below. Please read the below document then come to learn about how the board is run and managed.
Link to article posted below: www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=9031
The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (CAL FIRE) has won the Independent Institute’s California Golden Fleece®Award, given out quarterly to state or local agencies or government projects that break the public trust, and even swindle taxpayers.
CAL FIRE—whose primary responsibilities are fire prevention, suppression, and safety in the 31 million acres of California land that are designated State Responsibility Areas (SRA)—favors expensive and inefficient fire management strategies that increase its budget but put people and property at greater fire risk. CAL FIRE also benefits from a controversial “fee” Continue reading
March 20, 2018 (downloadable version)
My reflections on the March 13, 2018 Meeting. It was the first time that I have been in attendance at a meeting of the JCFPD Board. With respect for the members service, it was clearly one of the most dysfunctional board meetings that I’ve encountered in my 62 years. A lot of history has clearly preceded this gathering. The cart is clearly being pushed up hill against the tide by informed, misinformed, emotional and irrational horses. The Board seems to be made up of a major faction (3 of 5) moving the dissolution agenda, management that is aligned with this dissolution and 2 dissenting members. The JCFPD Chief Marinelli (management) appears defiant, disorganized, pompous and frightful. The San Diego County Chief Mecham was poised, conciliatory also arrogant and tenuous.
Because the issue of dissolution had been voted down repeatedly in the recent past, but then again placed on the agenda, re-energizing the concept resulting in vote passed last February to pursue a discussion of possible terms that could be considered. That February vote was apparently misrepresented, misunderstood or miscommunicated at the time.
Now a set of divorce terms and conditions has materialized, and placed on the agenda at this March 13 meeting and was voted for in the affirmative for adoption 3 Yes and 2 No. Continue reading
Members of the JCFPD Board of Directors and Fire Chief Marinelli:
Attached please find a copy of the Brown Act Demand for Cure and Unconditional Commitment to Cease and Desist From Brown Act Violations, including Exhibits, we are hereby serving on you on behalf of the Julian Volunteer Fire Company Association. Hard copy will follow via certified mail c/o Board President Jack Shelver. We strongly urge you to give it proper attention and consideration as required by the Brown Act.
Marek Pienkos, Esq.
This is the audio files from JCFPD Board meetings of 12/12/17 and 1/9/18 in which Chief Marinelli was instructed by the Board to accept a $40,000 donation from San Pasqual Fire Department for the purchase of a water tender. Per San Pasqual Fire Department Board President Steve Howerzyl, Chief Marinelli tried to negotiate the use of the funds for other purposes contrary to the direction of the JCFPD Board. Included is the letter from Board President Steve Howerzyl explaining his conversations with Chief Marinelli.
At the 2-13-18 JCFPD Board Meeting, FF Brian Crouch handed a letter to the board stating that he (San Pasqual Fire Department Board President Steve Howerzyl) sent a hard copy of the letter to the JCPFD mail box. The letters were addressed to each member of the board yet were never delivered to the board members. Is that not a violation of the Postal code, interception of the US mail?
You may have read or heard that the Initiative to repeal and replace the benefit fee for JCFPD failed due to insufficient signatures. THIS IS NOT TRUE. The Petitions had more signatures than necessary by people who live in the District and want JCFPD to remain independent. The problem is that 58 of these people have moved and did not update their address with the Registrar of Voters, and these signatures were declared invalid. You might be one of them.
You can go online to www.sdvote.com to verify your information. If you need to change your address, you fill out a New Registration Form and check the box at the bottom “I was previously registered or pre-registered to vote.” If you have a P.O. Box, check “My mailing address is different from my home address.”
The next JCFPD Board meeting is Tuesday, February 13th, 10:00 am, at the Julian Fire Station on Highway 79. Chief Marinelli is asking the Board for a vote to dissolve JCFPD. You are encouraged to attend this meeting to express your continued support for an independent fire district.
We will repeat the process of publishing the proposed Initiative, gathering signatures on Petitions, and placing the Initiative on the November ballot. We will be precise and succeed in this effort.